tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post111947976888665453..comments2023-12-08T00:50:40.305-08:00Comments on Creativity: Slowed down by a coldlizziebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04252416000554440535noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119565726501243152005-06-23T15:28:00.001-07:002005-06-23T15:28:00.001-07:00Hi! I remember some of the discussion on QA, and, ...Hi! I remember some of the discussion on QA, and, like Debra, believe that there's something missing from the English language to cover this. In Norwegian there's a word called Brukskunst - this translates literally as Useable Art. And unlike what Liz said in her original post about bowls and plates being 'craft' and not 'art', a beautifully made bowl can be 'brukskunst'. Why does it have to be that if something has a function, it can't have also be art? In fact, I believe that that is the ethos behind the Victoria and Albert musuem in London, UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119565726415103832005-06-23T15:28:00.000-07:002005-06-23T15:28:00.000-07:00Hi! I remember some of the discussion on QA, and, ...Hi! I remember some of the discussion on QA, and, like Debra, believe that there's something missing from the English language to cover this. In Norwegian there's a word called Brukskunst - this translates literally as Useable Art. And unlike what Liz said in her original post about bowls and plates being 'craft' and not 'art', a beautifully made bowl can be 'brukskunst'. Why does it have to be that if something has a function, it can't have also be art? In fact, I believe that that is the ethos behind the Victoria and Albert musuem in London, UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119549749591734132005-06-23T11:02:00.000-07:002005-06-23T11:02:00.000-07:00good thoughts, Karoda...we do need to define ourse...good thoughts, Karoda...we do need to define ourselves as artists. Since it is so hard to define what art is, I don't think it will be easy to define what an artist is.<BR/><BR/>I do feel, however, that craftsmanship is important. And I don't believe there is anything wrong with being a craftsman/woman. Some art education will go a long way.<BR/><BR/>I also feel that good give and take about work is very beneficial to an artist's growth.lizziebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252416000554440535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119549624388546022005-06-23T11:00:00.000-07:002005-06-23T11:00:00.000-07:00and i'm still waiting for the day when artists are...and i'm still waiting for the day when artists aren't compared to that of doctor's, lawyers, etc. i actually believe that doctors, lawyers, etc. should look to the artists to improve their crafts and knowledge.Karodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659789966973636488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119549399382288062005-06-23T10:56:00.000-07:002005-06-23T10:56:00.000-07:00Well, let me throw in the mix what I know and have...Well, let me throw in the mix what I know and have learned...there is the echo and the hollerer...the hollerer is the initiator, the creator if you will...the echo spreads out duplicating, carrying the hollerer's message to reaches the hollerer cannot do alone. The echo can change the furter it sound goes...neither are less or more...just different.<BR/><BR/>I believe everyone can produce art but that doesn't make them an artist. I believe in self-definition first and foremost...after that, it is finding your audience as part of the growth as artist. Communal recognition of one's self-definition is part of the growth...but not required depending on what motivates the individual.Karodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659789966973636488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119541956974816042005-06-23T08:52:00.000-07:002005-06-23T08:52:00.000-07:00Liz, thank you for a very thoughtful blog and your...Liz, thank you for a very thoughtful blog and your post on QA. I agree that not everyone is an artist. I was a professional classical musician for many years. We in the music world reserve the term artist for someone who as truly mastered her craft, has become not only technically brilliant but also interprets the classical ouvre in a unique and identifiable way.<BR/><BR/>One poster on QA seemed to suggest that those of us who still use patterns are stealing the ideas of others. This is a unique viewpoint, especially considering that pattern makers are selling their patterns. While I would agree that those who take pictures of quilts with the intention of copying them are being less than original (wink), I would hardly call it theft unless they attempt to sell the quilt and pass it off as their own idea. Buying a pattern is theft? Well that is a stretch.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for not insulting those of us who are still at the craft level. There was a time when being called a "craftsman" was a high compliment. In some areas such as woodworking it still is a high compliment. I'm sad that it appears to be a derogatory label in the art quilt world. As a craftswoman, I would never dream of insulting an artist in the same way.<BR/><BR/>Much food for thought in your comments. Thanks!Shoshana's Closethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12432271060148904324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119541533918390052005-06-23T08:45:00.000-07:002005-06-23T08:45:00.000-07:00Lisa,That is certainly not my intention...for you ...Lisa,<BR/>That is certainly not my intention...for you to feel sad and that you don't belong. Becoming an artist is a continum. Learning and studying is a part of that. Take the time to read about art, about compostition, and design elements and start using some of those and see where it takes you. You may work from what you feel looks right and you may have a good sense of compostition already, but understanding some of the design issues certainly helps all of us to determine when to break the rules and why.<BR/><BR/>You are obviously having fun with what you are doing and that is the most important thing about art. My comments are about those who really want to be serious and enter the professional world...it's hard work.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for taking the time to comment...I hope this helps clarify what I am trying to get across.lizziebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252416000554440535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119539341342621822005-06-23T08:09:00.000-07:002005-06-23T08:09:00.000-07:00Liz, I think it would be so much easier if there ...Liz, I think it would be so much easier if there were two words:<BR/><BR/>maybe Kraft... for the crafty kind of creations (using patterns, etc.). <BR/><BR/>and CRAFT for those real techniques used making art. <BR/><BR/>Think about it. Actors always say that their work is about perfecting their craft. It's something they are proud of saying. Yet we who's art runs a parallel course to Kraft have to fight to distinguish between the words.<BR/><BR/>Is this the difficulty? one word, two meanings?Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07504185070473121551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119537526412696162005-06-23T07:38:00.000-07:002005-06-23T07:38:00.000-07:00This makes me feel sad. I have absolutely zero tr...This makes me feel sad. I have absolutely zero training as an artist so I don't feel like I should be here at all. I just do what I like without knowing anything about the rules such as why things should be where, etc. Maybe I should just go away...Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672545762299523147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119507494275539132005-06-22T23:18:00.000-07:002005-06-22T23:18:00.000-07:00Pam has written in her post >>(as in high-end, ie ...Pam has written in her post >><BR/>(as in high-end, ie American Craft)<<<BR/>as a non american (meaning usa) does this mean my art/craft is not high end? <BR/>I do not think it does but do think before you write, Liz feel free to forward to Pam,Franceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16380471230134383736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119506154876827952005-06-22T22:55:00.000-07:002005-06-22T22:55:00.000-07:00Liz I didn't see your post on QA it must have come...Liz I didn't see your post on QA it must have come through when I was away and now taking mail I think I will go into the achives for it or perhaps you could send me copy,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you and pam about changing a pattern not being an art quilt, <BR/><BR/>to me there are 3 elements, art, design and technique, <BR/><BR/>art and design are not the same thing but a lot of people cross them or think they are the same,<BR/><BR/>I have not yet read your next post as when I went to I saw you related it to this post so have read this first, will now read the follow up,Franceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16380471230134383736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119501655256929412005-06-22T21:40:00.000-07:002005-06-22T21:40:00.000-07:00You've brought up some really interesting topics i...You've brought up some really interesting topics in this post and it would be fun to discuss them more. I agree with what you're saying about the difference between art and craft, but then I also think about what draws me to making art quilts is the craft. <BR/><BR/>I like the tangible, touchable aspect of it. There's something about the quilted fabric (when it's artistically done) that to me is the best of craft (as in high-end, ie American Craft) that seems more approachable and humanistic that pure art alone. Does that make any sense?<BR/><BR/>I also agree that just taking a pattern, reorganizing it, and picking different colors is not creating art. It's just rearranging the furniture.<BR/><BR/>Dumbing down of art is also an interesting topic. The problem here is that if everyone can do it, then it does become a problem for artists to view and present themselves, and be accepted as professionals. In almost every other profession I can think of such as doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, psychologists, etc. etc., people are respected, consulted, and paid to do what they have studied for a lifetime. And yet "anyone can make art." I don't have any answers, just questions.PaMdorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14673157255405327125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753386.post-1119484521473461662005-06-22T16:55:00.000-07:002005-06-22T16:55:00.000-07:00You know that I agree with you about the above stu...You know that I agree with you about the above stuff. I certainly would not get in to the list for big time quilt artists, but I feel the blogging list has some true artists and maybe the blogging can meet your needs. When you post lucious new work, like you just did, you need to let people you trust know and help you critique. I absolutely love it! Did you screen print the black images over the monoprint. I love the graffitiness of it. Or maybe it is brushstrokes. Anyway - looks great. I've been thinking of doing some fusing of shapes and screenprinting over it.Gerriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06292762162661584206noreply@blogger.com